The argument of Chrona's Gender UPDATED!!!

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Yes, that's right, I actually went insane and formulated an entire argumentative essay. I did! No word of a lie. Photo support and everything. So, if anyone is interested in seeing what it looks like when I get obsessed and "over analyze" things, my argument can be found here:

http://polgara-soceress.deviantart.com/journal/

I'd love to hear what anyone else has to say. ARGUE WITH ME! I DARE YOU!!! XD

FURTHER EVIDENCE
Psychologically speaking, Chrona's abusive past dictates the likelihood of his being male as well. When children raised in abusive, single parent, homes, are studied, it is clear that male children raised by abusive mothers (as in Chrona's case) will become meek, submissive, and want nothing more than to please their abusive mothers. Conversely, female children raised by abusive mothers will become hateful and resentful. This stems from their need to seperate their identities from that of their mother. They don't want to be associated with a woman who has beaten and abused them. They wish to become their own woman. The same paradigm applies to the abuse from a father. Female children abused by their fathers will become submissive and compliant, seeking to please their father, wherein sons will become hateful and rebellious, often growing unknowingly into abusive individuals themselves. Hence, as Medusa is a single, abusive, mother, Chrona's meek and docile personality - and obsessive need to please his mother - dictate that he must be a male child. It has been psychologically proven (not tested, because who would want to do that to a child?!).

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I'm not going to argue. I will simply ignorantly believe in bliss that Chrona is female. Even as a trap, I'd still hit it.

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I never really considered chrona's gender before, since it was always reffered to as a female I took it at face value. But on closer examination he does definetiely appear to be male. I didn't notice it myself but I found the examination of the eyes to be particualrily convincing. admittably it may simply be a stylistic choice to make Chrona appear more agenderous. However, examining the manga the distiction of male-female eyes is even more pronounced. When drawn from a side view in the manga Chrona's body appears almost as a stright line; admittably he has been experimented on and malnourished since childhood but the evidence is there.

On a side note, who is Chrona's father? unless he was asexually spawned brom the primordial ooze, to create a human child a male is required... his skin pigmentation,hair colour,suit he wears in episode 31, and his mental instability are remarkably similar to Dr.Stien(however these mean little in terms of hard evidence). The interaction between Stien and Medusa at earlier points in the anime is obvious and even after he believed her dead, Stien's delusions are always of Medusa; possibly there is more to this but, it's mostly speculation anyway.

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Can I just call Dilandau on Chrona? xD I mean, both of them were raised and experimented on to do the bidding of some evil, malevolent force and are pretty fucked up in the head. Of course, there's also the trademark gender confusion~

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Haha. That's cool. You and my friend Steve can do that together then. =D I don't hold it against anyone.

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I'm glad my argument could draw your attention to Chrona's mysterious gender. I was just voicing what I observed and I'm glad I'm not the only one to see it. Haha. =D

But you have raised a VERY interesting point about Chrona's father. I occured to me once, but I never had the mental capacity to follow up on it...but your speculations on Stein are FASCINATING...I will definitely ponder over this now. Because, if it wasn't already painfully obvious, I love to over think things. XD

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Lol xD I wasn't being serious with my argument, but I just found the similarities between Dilandau of Escaflowne and Chrona TEE HEE intriguing.

If I really got pulled into the argument though, I could like~ reference the Freudian implications of Medusa affecting the psyche of her child towards androgyny, or look into the intentions of the director in keeping the biological sex of Chrona ambiguous and analyze the history of such characters in anime. Then I can go overboard and rant about the symbolic significance of it all xD~!

Yeah. You made a good evidence-based argument for Chrona being a boy, and I am wayyy too lazy to refute it on the little that I know about the show ^^;

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=P You aren't the only one! I talked to my friend in Ontario and she found the same thing. It's a shame that there are so few Escaflowne references anymore. ^^;

Sounds like you could make a pretty good argument yourself! Glad to know I'm not the only one who enjoys the ability to over analyze things and use one's intelligence and knowledge for evil. >=D I love bringing up Freud. He was qui~te the shrink.

I'm glad you appreciate all the work I put into it though. And remember that I'm not trying to discourage people or be hateful towards those who think he's a girl, I'm just making my point. =D I've been following Soul Eater since I found it in Japan when it first came out. ^^;

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One thing I missed, if you look at Chrona's eye's when it is a child they are drawn in the female style. Maybe he genderswapped?

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Hmm...yeah...I noticed that too. And I'll even admit to it. However! I've had this discussion with one of my friends (outside of the ARC) and we noticed that any time a male character -widens- their eyes, they seem to round out somewhat. Although I won't entirely reject the possibility of gender swapping. After all, it's the blood that really proved to me that he's a boy. I mean, biologically. So, if Chrona -was- at some point a girl, and then Medusa gave...it the blood, she became a he. Ju~st a thought. Also, I did some psychology analysis for abused children for further evidence. I'll probably post that in a seperate addition to this thread though. :D

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*nods nods* Boys can be girls too!!! Although the gender swapping sounds a bit far-fetched~

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I rather not know, ever since I saw Boku no Pico(shivers. but It cant be unseen). at least soul eater is not a "you know what". So chrona's gender dosent really matter unless she/he has a romantic relation ship(but that does not really matter because im not homophobic.)

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Umm... I'm sure you went into watching Boku no Pico KNOWING they were traps... unless you somehow got, Pico rolled....

And well, shall we enter a complex debate on whether we're seeking out Chrona's biological sex or gender here~? I'm assuming what's underneath the skirt.

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actually In a way I didnt know they were traps before I watched it. since I was suspicious of it so I watched it. I just didnt know the anime artist would go that far. I mean I watched princess princess(great anime btw) and the mangaka didnt make it even to a shonen ai.

and Isn't that what were doing? Maybe Chrona's magically produced so he doesnt have gender. Or Chrona's made from a bunch of snakes.

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Yea~h...because you gotta wonder just who the dad is if Crona -is- biologically created. TEST TUBE BABY ANYONE?! XD But seriously...I wouldn't put it out of the range of possible for Medusa to have just created a child out of thin air...or snakes as you've pointed out.

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